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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZONING BOARD OF APPEALS - 08/24/2023 - Docket # 23-4, 1041 Bonaventure1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 VILLAGE OF ELK GROVE LEGAL NOTICE ZBA DOCKET NUMBER #23-4 The hearing in the above -entitled cause before Barbara Anthony, CSR, RPR, a Certified Shorthand Reporter with the County of DuPage, and State of Illinois, taken pursuant to the provisions of the Zoning Ordinance of the Village of Elk Grove Village, at 901 Wellington Avenue, Elk Grove Village, on the 24th day of August, 2023, at the hour of 7:00 p.m. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 I 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 PRESENT: ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS CHAIRMAN: Mr. Donald G. Childress Mr. Scott Fowler Mr. Jacob Glimco Mr. Donato Latrofa Mr. Richard M. Romanski Mr. Ryan Bookler Mr. Gary Spragg Mr. Roberto Serrano, Jr, Mr. Steve Rawleigh On Behalf Petitioner Mr. James Kimball Ms. Christine Kimball On Behalf of Elk Grove Village Mr. Ken Hinkle 901 Wellington Avenue Elk Grove Village ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. CHILDRESS: This is ZBA Docket 23-4. I'll go ahead and read the docket and then ask you to come up and step up to the podium whoever wants to talk tonight, swear you in and ask you to raise your right hand. And then we will ask you to take any questions from Board members or any audience members present. And then if there is any questions from engineering also at that time or concerns that we can direct towards Ken. This is ZBA Docket 23-4. Public Notice is hereby given in accordance with the provisions of Chapter 8-2:D of the Zoning Ordinance of the Village of Elk Grove Village, the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Village of Elk Grove will conduct a public hearing at the hour of 7:00 p.m., August 24th, at the Charles J. Zettek Municipal Building, 901 Wellington Avenue, Elk Grove Village Illinois to consider the Petition of Richard Kimball, 1041 Bonaventure, LLC for a variation from provisions of the Elk Grove Village Zoning Ordinance No. 2410 as it pertains to permitted locations for fences in Business Zoning Districts. Section 7B-3-4 (A) states: No fence shall be constructed in any front yard and or ahead ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 I 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 of the building setback line. The Petitioner is requesting to install a four -foot high open wrought iron type fence around the perimeter of the parking lot ahead of the building. The property is located at 1041 Bonaventure Drive, Elk Grove Village, Illinois. It is identified by the following property identification number. I'll skip that. All persons interested are invited to attend and will be given the opportunity to be heard. This hearing will be assessable with individuals with disabilities. Persons requiring accommodations are requested to contact the Village Clerk at (847) 357-4040 preferably no later than five days before the hearing. Whoever would like to speak, if you could, step up to the podium. Make sure the little button is in the raised position for the mic to work. MR. KIMBALL: I think it is on. Yeah. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Okay. Thank you. Can you raise your right hand. (Witness duly sworn.) ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 r 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. KIMBALL: Sure. Since we've purchased the building last year, we weren't -- we didn't spend any time in it last year. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Give us your name also. MR. KIMBALL: I apologize. Rich Kimball. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Thank you. MR. KIMBALL: I'm the owner of the building. We purchased the building last year and we did not move in to it until the end of January this As such we didn't realize how much foot traffic that we would be getting from the hotel that is immediately to the east of us. And apparently it must be easier, I guess, in their sight to walk through our parking lot on their way to wherever they are going towards Nerge, but the challenges that we have is it A, it is a high amount of traffic. B, we have employees that come and go from that area, or come and go to their cars and things and they are not particularly comfortable with the high amount of traffic that is crossing. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 Q 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 The original thought was to run the fence between Performance Auto, which is to my west and our lot, but I think that will just push them into basically the cars that are parked out front. So they will be walking around the cars where our employees are at. So that ultimately -- couldn't think of a better way to do it other than to deter people going through the parking lot other than put a fence in front. Not realizing that there was a Zoning Ordinance against such. Thank you. MR. CHILDRESS: Steve, do you have any questions to the petitioner? MR. RAWLEIGH: What hours do you operate? Is that -- I saw there's a mortgage business right, in there? MR. KIMBALL: Correct. MR. RAWLEIGH: Is that your business or one of your tenants? MR. KIMBALL: I don't own the business. I am the branch manager there. MR. RAWLEIGH: Okay. then there is an open one. So are people working there like really early in the morning to late at night? ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. KIMBALL: We'll have people arrive probably between 7:30 and 8:00 o'clock. And we will have people that will leave as late as 8:00 o'clock. We do have client meetings that we will have there on the weekends as well. We have clients meetings in the evening as well. MR RAWLEIGH: Thank you. MR. KIMBALL: So the general hours are 8:30 to 5:00. However, in our business when you have to meet with the consumer, you do it when they are available. MR. RAWLEIGH: Thank you. MR. CHILDRESS: Rob. MR. SERRANO, JR.: First, thank you for your time today. I just have a quick question around -- you mentioned the employees being uncomfortable. MR. KIMBALL: Uh-huh. MR. SERRANO, JR.: Are there any sort of specific situations outside of just people walking through a parking lot? MR. KIMBALL: We've had -- we've had situations where people have left items in our dumpster that are stolen. So I've had to call the ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 police for that. I've had a stolen bicycle left on or property, which when we called they say hey, give it a day. And on my cameras, I watched that bike be restolen. So we have had some experiences there. We have had some people also congregating a little bit around the dumpster. So if I have an employee that walks over towards the dumpster and they run into to somebody they don't expect around the corner, because our dumpsters are kind of away from the front door, it is a little unsettling to them. MR. SERRANO, JR.: That is all. Thank you. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Gary. MR. SPRAGG: Hi, Rich. MR. KIMBALL: How are you doing? MR. SPRAGG: Good. So, you know, I took a drive over there and took a look at this like most of us typically do, and understanding what you are trying to accomplish. In my opinion, you might be spending a lot of money and not accomplishing what you want to do. The reason I say that is, I mean, if you ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 Q 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 look at Exhibit A where you have the yellow outline of where the fence is going to go. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah. MR. SPRAGG: You know, and there is an opening to your driveway there and immediately to the right is a Motel 6. Right, where they are coming from? MR. KIMBALL: Correct. MR. SPRAGG: Correct. All right. So, if I was on foot -- MR. KIMBALL: Uh-huh. MR. SPRAGG: -- I would be looking to duck into your driveway, not realizing there was a fence at the opposite end. You know what I mean? So I am thinking you are almost creating a corral for these people rather than a diversion. MR. KIMBALL: Sure. MR. SPRAGG: You know, I am just concerned. You are going to spend a lot of money on this one way or another, so you want it to be effective. MR. KIMBALL: Sure. MR. SPRAGG: So as I look at that I would hate to say, you know, if I were you. MR. KIMBALL: Uh-huh. MR. SPRAGG: But I would suggest a gate there, ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 if you really want to prevent this, because I think they are going to walk right in there. MR. KIMBALL: So -- MR. SPRAGG: When they get to the end, what do they do? Do they jump the fence? It is a 4-foot fence, I guess they can jump it or just wall back around, right? MR. KIMBALL: Yes. I mean, there's a couple of points to that. The first one is you have a pretty clear sight line when you are entering there to see Performance Auto. So you'll clearly be able to see the fence from those walking in at that point. Trust me, I thought about that. MR. SPRAGG: Yes. MR. KIMBALL: That particular issue. We will also likely have a sign somewhere near that fence that says hey, no entrance, no trespassing, something similar to that. We have something similar to that on the building. I don't -- I don't -- we have a lot of what I guess I call repeat offenders. So I think that once people realize this isn't a pass through place to go, then they ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 will just be on the sidewalk, which is where they should be anyway. MR. SPRAGG: Okay. Well, as long as you thought through that and realized that's a potential issue. MR. KIMBALL: It is a consideration. MR. SPRAGG: That was the only thing I really saw about it. MR. KIMBALL: No, I appreciate that. MR. SPRAGG: I appreciate what you're trying to do. That's all for me. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Ryan. MR. BOOKLER: Have you contacted the management to the hotel to express your concerns? If they can put any signage up, if that would help? MR. KIMBALL: You know, I didn't. I didn't think about contacting them, and, you know, as I understand it people come and go. I just don't know how they would advise people with regards to that. I don't know if would help or hinder, to be honest with you, but I hadn't contacted the hotel. MR. BOOKLER: Okay. And then you mentioned Performance Maintenance right next to you. MR. KIMBALL: Performance Auto. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. BOOKLER: They are Performance Auto. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah. MR. BOOKLER: Okay. Have you spoken to them, have they expressed any kind of concern? Have -- MR. KIMBALL: Craig. MR. BOOKLER: -- they called the police or? MR. KIMBALL: Craig has told me it is a constrant stream of people going through his car lot. He has been dealing with that. MR. BOOKLER: Okay. MR. KIMBALL: So they have -- yes, he said it is a constant stream of people going through their side lot there or the front lot. MR. BOOKLER: Yeah. I would say definitely to the west that would be good for a fence. I'm just going back and forth on whether, you know, it really needs to be in the front. Because I know you thought if you'll have it on the west you said that perhaps people would still go through the cars and then dart over, but. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah, I mean I think the clear path looks like, at least in my image that I got that we sent, near that blue dot, that people are ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 just going to cut right through that section right there. And that doesn't create for my staff having to leave at -- you know, now it's daylight at 5:00 o'clock. It won't be obviously in the wintertime. And for them having to go to their car at night, I would rather at least have them feel a little more safe. MR. BOOKLER: Okay. Thank you. MR. KIMBALL: Sure. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Rich. MR. ROMANSKI: So the concern I have is putting that fence up, in my opinion, all you are going to be doing is piss off the neighbors that are behind you because they are going to go that way and go behind the building. I don't think they are still going to go to the sidewalk if you put the fence up. I think they will literally go this way and now the whole building behind you is going to get upset that you put a fence up and now you deterrred the traffic that way. MR. LATROFA: There is nothing behind there. MR. KIMBALL: first of all that -- MR. BOOKLER: There is nothing there. Nothing for them to do. They are going to eat Tacos, ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Roccos, things like that. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah, Rich, there is about a four -foot berm right there. So that gray line that you see there, there is is a four -foot berm and my neighbors are almost eight feet above, if you look at the back of that. MR. BOOKLER: Liquor store. MR. RAWLEIGH: Yeah. MR. KIMBALL: So there's nobody really there. It's the back parking lot to a four -unit building. Essentially where there's -- basically it is a handful of contracting trucks that are there. MR. ROMANSKI: That is the only thought I have right now. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah, I mean, actually that doesn't put them in their parking lot because of that four -foot berm. They would end up staying behind the building. MR. ROMANSKI: Yeah, but they walk, based on that picture, they could just walk on the grass and get around the berm. No questions asked. MR. KIMBALL: They wouldn't be in front of my employees and that would be -- I would take ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 that over and above what I am dealing with right now. MR. ROMANSKI: Right, but then you could also be pissing off the neighbors that are behind you because of what you do now they have to deal with traffic. So the question becomes, I have learned a lot over the time, especially being in an association and being vice president for 11 years. You've got to be able to work with your neighbors. MR. KIMBALL: That's fair. MR. ROMANSKI: My concern is, you know, they are not here to speak on it. I don't know if they are aware you are looking to do this, but I would love to hear from the people behind you, because if you put this up, I think the traffic will go that way. MR. KIMBALL: Well, Rich, the way one issue -- the people that are walking behind my building, will still be on my property. Their property begins at the top of that four -foot berm. Nobody is going to go up to that four -foot berm because the only thing up there was the car wash, aside from that building. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 If they are going to go in the back, they are heading to the tacos place or heading to the Chinese place or the liquor store. MR. BOOKLER: And, Ken, the signs were posted, correct, so you can see everything is up? MR. SPRAGG: That is huge. MR. HINKLE: Yes. MR. RAWLEIGH: I never seen the sign up there. MR. KIMBALL: That's what we were told to put up. MR RAWLEIGH: But I am new. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Donato. Do you have anything else, Rich? MR. ROMANSKI: No. MR. LATROFA: Yeah, kind of what he was saying before, the only concern I really have is I am not sure how effective the fence on the far west side is from preventing people on the east side, but I do appreciate that the fence combined with like a sign, saying, you know, no trespassers, no exit, something like that. And then to Rich's point, if you have a similar fence that basically blocks on the berm so just to the south of your entry. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. KIMBALL: Uh-huh. MR. LATROFA: You may not even need a gate at that point. Somebody walking up to see, okay, there is a fence here. There is a matching fence on the other side. I'm talking about this area to the south here. A similar fence of what you have a wrought iron one. MR. KIMBALL: Okay. MR. LATROFA: It looks like you have a bush or something like that on the Google map. However valid that is. That may be enough. MR. KIMBALL: Okay. Oh, you mean, just like almost like a decorative fence, just -- MR. LATROFA: A similar fence just to the south here. MS. KIMBALL: Okay. MR. LATROFA: That kind of matches. It almost look like you have a gate. MR. KIMBALL: Got it. MR. LATROFA: That would also prevent what Rich is talking about from people walking behind your building. Now, if they want to go up to the berm, they would have done that already. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 At this point, looking at the map they are just walking towards like abandoned buildings and stuff. MR. KIMBALL: Yes, there is -- MR. LATROFA: If someone want to do that, they will do that regardless. MR. KIMBALL: Right. MR. LATROFA: More likely they are walking to get some food, liquor store, or something like that. Going on the sidewalk is still the most direct route. MR. KIMBALL: Ideally. MR. LATROFA: Of course. I mean, I don't have any other questions or comments. I think just a a little fence that runs north and south, four, five, six matching that. MR. KIMBALL: Okay. MR. LATROFA: Probably enough. But my vote doesn't hinge on that. I think the way it looks is fine. Now is fine. That is more of kind of address his question and funnel people towards the sidewalk, which is kind of your intent, at least my understanding. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. KIMBALL: Correct. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Jacob. MR. GLIMCO: First of all, thank you for putting this together. MR. KIMBALL: I've got to thank her. MS. CHRISTINE KIMBALL: You're welcome. MR. KIMBALL: Christine. MR. GLIMCO: Most of my questions, only one concern. You're only using one of the units currently in the building, correct? MR. KIMBALL: The other -- the building is 5700 square feet. I'm in about 3,000. And we are currently trying to rent those. I have a perspective tenant looking at 1200 -- I'm sorry, 1450 square feet, and that is a childrens dance studio. Which is probably another concern for me as far as parents coming in and dropping off their kids and then I got traffic going through the front. MR. GLIMCO: Well, to that end, if you have a childrens dance studio, I am assuming sometimes the lot might be full, and people will have to street park or something like that? MR. KIMBALL: No, I've got 25 spots over ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 there. MR. GLIMCO: Okay. MR. KIMBALL: Yes, I've got 25 spots. 1450 square feet. It is not that big as far as how many kids you can get in there. MR. GLIMCO: Okay. I was wondering if there is any concern, you know, for future uses of those other units for accessibility or, you know, visibility for the street for parking purposes or anything like that? MR. KIMBALL: Yes, I had -- that perspective tenant was aware that we were -- they saw the variance sign. And they asked that it wasn't going to be like a cedar sign or something like that. You still will be able to see the building based on the pictures that we provided you guys. MR. GLIMCO: Great. Thank you. MR. KIMBALL: Sure CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Scott, do you have any? MR. FOWLER: I have a quick question. Again, thank you. Exhibit A, you have a yellow line, right. It goes up to the one side of your driveway. If you look at Exhibit C it looks like ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 there is a fence coming from the building, which would be the east. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah, that was -- I was working with a website and it took me almost like six weeks just to get this done and when they got this to me, I was like I am not even going back to them. MR. FOWLER: The fence is going to be where the yellow line is? MR. KIMBALL: Correct. Yeah. MR. FOWLER: I had the concern about people going behind your building. MR. KIMBALL: Absolutely. MR. FOWLER: That is one of the concerns I had. It was addressed. Other than that, I just want to clarify if you were putting a fence on the other side of the driveway or not. MR. KIMBALL: Yeah, I didn't have any intention to do that. MR. FOWLER: I am good. CHARMAN CHILDRESS: I just had a -- I don't know. Ken, have we had similar areas where they put like a wrought iron fence in the front? I ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 think we had one case in the last couple of years or something in an industrial park. MR. HINKLE: There have been a couple of them. CHAIRAN CHILDRESS: Low height open fences. Again like what you're trying -- proposing to do. Very strict crossing traffic across the corner of the property and trying to guide them to the public walks. I know sometimes the property owners -- I have been on this Board like since 2001 or something like that. And we have had a lot of versions of things come through over those years, but sometimes like adjacent property owners getting together. Sometimes where you have a good fence idea, if you coordinate with the neighbor, they also, Performance Auto or something, they may want a fence peripherally around their lot, if they don't have one currently. Just as a coordinating idea, but I understand it is hard to direct pedestrian traffic that are active at all different hours of the day that are also not necessarily concurrent with your -- with the tenants in your building and those usage hours. So I understand how that can have people ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 walking through the area and people feeling insecure at different times of the day or if they are loitering in a particular part of the property or leaving debris or picking things up and walking off with it intended or unintended. But I understand what you are trying to do and there is no utilities impacted in an open type fence design versus something like a closed cedar fence or something like that. It keeps it all open, accessible and transparent to both seeing what is in the building and in the parking lot, and everybody also driving by the street can also see for safety sake. And if there is something going on and report it on it too, which heightens security too. Is there any other questions from Board members? (No response.) CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Are there any questions any phone calls or any remarks. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Are there any persons in the audience that would like to comment on this ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 initially pro and con or in support? MS. CHRISTINE KIMBALL: We are co -owners of the building. So I am in support of it. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Can I get your name, please. MS. CHRISTINE KIMBALL: My name is Christine Kimball, C-h-r-i-s-t-i-n-e. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Is your last name the same? MS. CHRISTINE KIMBALL: It is. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Okay. I am just checking. Thank you. Is the next thing that we need a motion I guess on the existing motion as is, unless there is any other questions? MR. ROMANSKI: We need a motion. MR. LATROFA: Motion do grant. MR. GLIMCO: Second. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Okay. Can we have a voice vote. MR. RAWLEIGH: Do grant. Granted. MR. SERRANO JR.: Do grant. MR. SPRAGG: Do grant. MR. BOOKLER: yes. ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Yes. MR. ROMANSKI: No. MR. LATROFA: Yes. MR. GLIMCO: Yes. MR. FLOWERS: Yes. MR. GLIMCO: The ayes have it. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: What we do is we write up a finding of fact. The Village staff will put together the meeting minutes. They go to advise the Village Board Members who will have final authorization and authority that if they again vote in favor of your proposed variation request, then at that point that will give you permission to contact the Village Engineering Committee Development to obtain a permit at that time, but if you could please. When is the next Village Board meeting? MR. HINKLE: September 12th. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: September 12th. MR. LATROFA: Oh, boy. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: We are already in September. MR. LATROFA: That's right. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: So if you can, please ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 call just a few days before the meeting to ensure you're on the docket for that night. The Village Clerk or the representative should be calling you also, if you don't call them first to confirm that you're on the docket. And if you could, please plan to attend and be available for any questions from the Village's Board Members. MR. KIMBALL: Got it. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: And thank you for coming out tonight and having a business in our town. MR. KIMBALL: Thank you. Thank you all for your time. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. MR. ROMANSKI: Make a motion to adjourn. MR. GLIMCO: Second. MR. BOOKLER: Who made the motion to adjourn? MR. ROMANSKI: I did. CHAIRMAN CHILDRESS: Close. All in favor? (Chorus of ayes.) MEETING CONDLUDED ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 STATE OF ILLINOIS) COUNTY OF DU PAGE) I. BARBARA ANTHONY, Certified Shorthand Reporter, within and for the County of DuPage and State of Illinois, do hereby certify that I stenographically recorded the proceedings in the aforementioned matter; that the foregoing was reduced to typewriting via computer aided transcription under my personal direction and supervision; and that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcript of the proceedings had. IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 12th day of September, A.D., 2023. Barbara Anthony, CSR, RPR CSR No. 084-003185 Expires May 31, 2025 ACR REPORTING, LLP (312) 422-0515