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MIAUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF
THE PRESIDENT ACID BOARD OF TRUSTEES
OF THE VILLAGE OF ELK GROVE VILLAGE
HELD ON NOVEMBER 12, 1968
President Jack D. Pahl called the meeting to order at 8:05 p.m. in the
Municipal Building in said Village. The Reverend Roger D. Pittelko,
Pastor of the Lutheran Church of The Holy Spirit, opened the meeting
with a •prayer.
Upon the roll being called by the Village Clerk, Eleanor G. Turner, the
following Trustees answered "PRESENT" - Ronald L. Chernick, George C.
Coney, James R. Gibson, Eugene V. Keith, Richard A. McGrenera, Charles
J. Zettek; "ABSENT" - none. Village Attorney Edward C. Hofert was
present at this meeting.
President Pahl administered the oath of office to David L. Buchholz,
newly appointed member to the Police Pension Board of Trustees.
It was moved by Trustee Coney and seconded by Trustee Chernick that the
Board authorize the disbursement of $29,530.77 from the Water and Sewer
Department Operating Account and $33,716.65 from the General Corporate
Account in payment of the invoices as shown on the Accounts Payable
Warrant dated November 12, 1968. The President directed the Clerk to
call the roll on the motion and upon the roll being called, the following
Trustees answered "AYE" - Chernick, Coney, Keith, McGrenera, Zattek;
"NAY" - Gibson; "ABSENT" - none. Whereupon the President declared the
motion carried.
At the request of the Clerk, it was moved by Trustee Keith and seconded
i by Trustee Coney that the Board authorize the disbursement of $275.00
from the General Corporate Account to the Postmaster to cover the cost
I of mailing vehicle sticker application forms for the year 1969 to all
Village residents. The President directed the Clerk to call the roll
on the motion and upon the roll being called, the following Trustees
answered "AYE" - Chernick, Coney, Gibson, Keith, McGrenera, Zettek;
"NAY" - none; "ABSENT" - none. Whereupon the President declared the
motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee McGrenera and seconded by Trustee Keith that
the Board waive the first reading rule with respect to an ordinance
authorizing a SRecial Use Permit to Aeronautical Radio for employee and
customer parkin. The motion was voted upon by acclamation, whereupon
the President declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee McGrenera and seconded by Trustee Keith that
the Board adopt Ordinance No. 575 entitled, "AN ORDINANCE AMENDIi`1G THE
VILLAGE OF ELK GROVE VILLAGE ZONING ORDINANCE BY AUTHORIZING A SPECIAL
USE PERMIT FOR EMPLOYEE AND CUSTOMER PARKING". The President directed
the Clerk to call the roll on the motion and upon the roll being called,
the following Trustees answered. "AYE" - Chernick, Keith, McGrenera,
Zettek; "NAY" - none; "ABSTAIN" - Coney, Gibson; "ABSENT" - none. Where-
upon the President declared the motion carried. Trustees Coney and
Gibson abstained since they were absent from the hearing when the
petition was heard by the Board.
C It was moved by Trustee McGrenera and seconded by Trustee Gibson that
the Board waive the first reading rule with respect to an ordinance
annexing the Comet Industries property. The motion was voted upon by
acclamation, whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee McGrenera and seconded by Trustee Keith that
the Board adopt Ordinance No. 576 entitled, "AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING
PROPERTY TO THE VILLAGE OF ELK GROVE VILLAGE LOCATED ALONG YORK ROAD,
LYING APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET SOUTH OF DEVON AVENUE". The President
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directed the Clerk to call the roll on the motion and upon the roll being
called, the following Trustees answered "AYE" - Chernick, Coney, Gibson,
Keith, McGrenera, Zettek; "NAY" - none; "ABSENT" - none. President Pahl
voted 'IAYE" and declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Gibson and seconded by Trustee Keith that the
Board waive the first reading rule with respect to an ordinance rezoning
the Comet Industries property. The motion was voted upon by acclamation,
whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Gibson and seconded by Trustee Keith that the
Board adopt Ordinance No. 577 entitled, "AN ORDINANCE REZONING THE
PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG YORK ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET SOUTH OF DEVON
AVENUE". The President directed the Clerk to call the roll on the
motion and upon the roll being called, the following Trustees answered
"AYE" - Chernick, Coney, Gibson, Keith, McGrenera, Zettek; "NAY" - none;
"ABSENT" - none. Whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
Discussion followed on a letter of opinion dated november 6, 1968 from
the Village Attorney to the President and Trustees regarding the parking
situation at the Park & Shop Shopping Center. Mr. Hofert stated that
if the Board wished the Bowling Alley to continue in operation that there
were two (2) alternatives available:
1 . Amend the text of the Zoning Ordinance, or
2. Approve an official interpretation of the present Zoning
Ordinance to permit that area for bowling lanes not to be
in the calculated space.
Following further discussion, it was moved by Trustee Zettek and
r seconded by Trustee Chernick that the Board authorize the Village
[C Attorney to amend the present text of the Zoning Ordinance requiring
less parking space for uses such as a bowling alley because not all
the space is used. The, motion was voted upon by acclamation, whereupon
the President declared,the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Coney and seconded by Trustee Zettek that the
Board direct the Village Attorney not to proceed with prosecution (on
Park & Shop parking situation) until such time as the Board receives
the recommendation from the Plan Commission on the proposed text change.
The motion was voted upon by acclamation, whereupon the President
declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Coney and seconded by Trustee McGrenera that
the Board waive the first reading rule with respect to an ordinance
providing for the issuance of general oblieation bonds for certain
municipal facilities. The motion was voted upon by acclamation; Trustee
Keith cast a dissenting vote. The President declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Coney and seconded by Trustee McGrenera that
the Board adopt Ordinance No. 578 entitled, "Aid ORDINANCE PROVIDING
FGR THE SUBMISSION TO THE VOTERS OF THE VILLAGE OF ELIC GROVE VILLAGE,
COOK AND DUPAGE COUNTIES, ILLINOIS, THE QUESTION OF ISSUING $1 ,320,000.00
MU14ICIPAL BUILDING BONDS, $290,000.00 FIRE STATION BONDS, AND $150,000.00
MUNICIPAL GARAGE AND IMPROVEMENT BONDS, AT A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD
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IN AND FOR SAID VILLAGE ON THE 14TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 1968.
Trustee Keith read a statement, a copy of which is attached hereto and
made a part hereof.
The President directed the Clerk to call the roll on the motion and
upon the roll being called, the following Trustees answered "AYE" -
Chernick, Coney, McGrenera, Zettsk; "NAY" - Gibson, Keith; "ABSENT" -
none. Whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
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It is unfortunate that due to political considerations initiated by
President Pahl, I am forced at this time to take a stand which defends
my failure to support the new municipal complex, not purely on a
philosophical basis as I had previously intended but one that clearly
defines my so-called uncompromising position.
Prior to listing those matters which gravely concern me, I must with
deep sincerity make the public aware of the excellent effort expended
by Trustees Coney, Chernick and McGrenera in correlating the facts,
investigating the availability of professional talent and physically
doing the time-consuming job of inspecting other facilities. It is my
opinion that the pian and design which has been presented would provide
Elk Grove Village with, ibathe architect described, an aesthetically
exciting building, and that every effort has and will be made to build
this complex at the lowest cost for this type of building; however, it
is obviously not a simple rectangular structure. The residents will be
the final judge as to whether it meets the needs of the community.
In our complex society, individuals, provided with a given set of facts,
will on many occasions arrive at opposite opinions and this is apparently
what has occurred during our deliberations involving the new municipal
building. Since I am apparently alone in reaching my conclusions, it
is not difficult for my opponents, in fact, for myself, to be skeptical
about either my intelligence or my motivation, so I must try to present
my logic in a manner which will at least earn me sympathy if not support.
My reason for lack of enthusiasm for this project, in fact, is an
extension of my complete dissatisfaction with the leadership and management
of this community. As I previously pointed out, the Trustee' s who worked
on this project have based our need on facts which were provided by the
adminiatration and it's staff. It is with this material I disagree and
I believe that my basis for concern is suppo^ted by the tremendous increase
in our budget for 1968-69 which could only be financed by the passage of
a utility tax, the only tax that the Board could levy without voter
approval. The budget and utility tax split the Board to the extent that
only Mr. Pahl's vote put these into effect so at this point I was not
alone in my concern for our future direction. To review the history
which preceded this situation, I must go back to President Pahl's action
promoting a $2,500.00 planning study and design of a municipal complex
which turned out to be a rediculous "pie in the sky" thinking and the
planner was obviously never given any guidelines prior to making his
presentation. Later came the Village Manager's document making staff
projections for Flk Grove Village for 1970 and 1980. This report projected
manpower of 282 employees in 1970 (estimated population 22,330) and 517
employees in 1980 (estimated population 49,840) . To relate this fancy
to fact, Des Plaines, with a population of 60,000, currently operates
with 198 employees. rhe Village Manager has continually claimed that
these staff projections were not based on anything; however, as recently
as October 30, 1968, the Finance Director projected personnel to man
our new fire stations (those proposed) at 134 with a proposed Fire
Department budget of 41,130,016.00. To relate that to a current statistic,
our entire real estate tax levy in 1968-69 is 1410,275.00.
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As I pointed out previously, my opposition to this new municipal complex
is based on my sincere and honest opinion that President Pahl and his
staff have aimed Elk Grove Village at the moon and that this building
is just one more stair in his never ending search for personal immortal-
ization.
I would never claim that our present facilities are completely adequate
and yet if you were to look at municipal buildings in many other
communities, you would get the impression that they were ghetto' s in
comparison to our present complex and, for all practical purposes, it
is my personal opinion that we are merely going to use this current
facility as a "simmer cottage".
I see no alternative but to seek a new administration to correct what I
personally see as insurmountable problems if we continue on our present
course and in my own inimitable way I must be the David that seeks to
oppose the Goliath of Elk Grove politics. Jack Pahl stated publicly
that I am not a politician and that I do not understand how to compromise
and I will agree with him. He failed to mention one other problem that
I have and that is the political handicap of being completely candid and
when I oppose Mr. Pahl next April, I will not underestimate his dedication
nor the time and effort that Jack has expended for this community. I will,
however, feel entirely justified in directing my attack on his lack of
leadership and his planned or unfortunate tactics which have divided the
Board of Trustees, Village personnel and individuals who deal with the
Village.
In closing, my "no" vote on presenting this matter to referendum is
basically a continuation of other negative votes against the budget,
the utility tax and other similar matters involving the administration
of the village. To complicate the matter more, I can only compliment
the actions and efforts of my compatriots on the Board by recognizing
that they feel as strongly about the need for and the benefits of this
municipal complex as I do about the future of my Elk Grove Village, if
we do not get leadership which recognizes the future in relationship
to the practical wants and needs or our vigorous young community. I
want to lead with innovation, creativeness and imagination and I oppose
the accepted political structure of accomplishment through pyramids of
people, built at the expense of the taxpayer.
E. V. Keith
IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT DUE TO POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS S INITIATE) By
AHL, 1 AM FORCED AT THIS TIME TO TAKE ,A STAND WHICH DEFENDS
MY FAILURE TO SUPPORT THE NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, NOT PURELY ON A
PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS AS I HAD PREVIOUSLY INTENDED, BUT ONE THAT
CLEARLY DEFINES My SO-CALLED UNCOMPRIMISING POSITION,
PRIOR TO LISTING THOSE MATTERS WHICH GRAVELY CONCERN ME, I MUST
WITH DEEP SINCERITY MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF THE EXCELLENT EXPENDED BY TRUSTEES CONEY, LIC
AND MCGRENERA INLCORRELATING
THE FACTS, INVESTIGATING THE AV41LABILZTy OF PROFESSIONAL TALENT
AND PHYSICALLY DOING THE TIME CONSUMING XB OF INSPECTING OTHER
FACILITIES, IT IS My OPINION THAT THE PLAN AND DESIGN WHICH HAS
BEEN PRESENTED WOULD PROVIDE ELK GROVE VILLAGE WITH, AS THE ARCHITECT
DESCRIBED, AN AESTHETICALLY EXCITING BUILDING, AND THAT EVERY EFFORT
HAS AND WILL 8E MADE TO- BUILD THIS COMPLEX AT THE LOWEST COST FORTHIS 71ki
�} BUILDING HOWEVER IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A SIMPLE RECTANGULAR STRUCTURE.
THE RESIDENTS WILL BE THE FINAL JUDGE AS 'TO WHETHER IT MEETS THE NEEDS
OF THE COMMUNITY,
IN OUR COMPLEX SOCIETY INDIVIDUALS4PROVIDED WITH A GIVEN SET OF FACTS�
WILL ON MANY OCCASIONS ARRIVE AT OPPOSITE OPINIONS AND THIS IS APp
AREN
WHAT HAS OCCURRED DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS INVOLVING THE NEW MUNICIPAL7LY
BUILDING. SINCE I AM APPARENTLY ALONE IN REACHING MY CONCLUSIONS IT
IS NOT DIFFICUI7 FOR My OPpONANTS
ABOUT EITHER MY INTELLIGENCE OR MY MOTIVATZONOR MYSELF TO BE SKEPTICAL
I MUST
MY LOGIC IN A MANNER WHICH WILL AT LEAST EARN /MESYMPATHYTRY
IF NO PRESENT
SUPPORT. OT
MY REASON FOR LACK OF ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS PROJECT, IN
EXTENSION OF MY COMPLETE DISSATISFACTION FACT, IS AN
MANAGEMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY, WITH THE LEADERSHIP AND
AS I PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT THE
TRUSTEE'S WHO WORKED ON THIS PROJECT HAVE BASED OUR NEED ON FAC
WHICH WERE PROVIDED 8Y THE ADMINISTRATION AND 77'S STAFF, TS
IT IS
WITH THIS MATERIAL I DISAGREE AND I BELIEVE THAT MY BASIS FOR CONCERN
IS SUPPORTED BY THE TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET FOR 1968-69 WHICH
COULD ONLY BE FINANCED BY THE PASSAGE OF A b"2,&rur�Prtlr`L UTILITY TAX,
THE ONLY TAX THAT THE BOARD COULD LEVY WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. THE
BUDGET AND UTILITY TAX SPLIT THE BOARD TO THE EXTENT THAT ONLY MR. PAHL 'S
VOTE PUT THESE INTO EFFECT SO AT THIS POINT 1 WAS NOT ALONE IN MY CONCERN
FOR OUR FUTURE DIRECTION. TO REVIEW THE HISTORY WHICH PRECEDED THIS
SITUATION, I MUST GO BACK TO PRESIDENT PAHL 'S ACTION PROMOTING A $2500. 0
PLANNING STUDY AND DESIGN OF A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WHICH TURNED OUT TO
BENRiDICULOUS "PIE IN THE SKY" THINKING AND THE PLANNER WAS OBVIOUSLY
NEVER GIVEN ANY GUIDELINES PRIOR TO MAKING HIS PRESENTATION.
LATER CAME THE VILLAGE MANAGERS DOCUMENT MAKING STAFF PROJECTIONS FOR
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ELK GROVE VILLAGE FOR 1910 and 1980. THIS REPORT PROJECTED MANPOWER OF -2
EMPLOYEES IN 1970 (ESTIMATED POPULATION 22 , 330 ) AND 517 EMPLOYEES IN
1980 (ESTIMATED POPULATION 49 , 840 ) . TO RELATE THIS FANCY TO FACT,
DESPLAINES, WITH A POPULATION OF 60 , 000 CURRENTLY OPERATES WITH 198 EMPLC
EES . THE VILLAGE MANAGER HAS CONTINUALLY CLAIMED THAT THESE STAFF PRO-
JECTIONS WERE NOT BASED ON ANYTHING, HOWEVER, AS RECENTLY AS OCTOBER
30, 1968, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR PROJECTED PERSONNEL TO MAN OUR NEW FIRE
STATIONS (THOSE PROPOSED) AT 134 WITH A PROPOSED FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET
OF $ 1 , 130, 016 . 00 . TO RELATE THAT TO A CURRENT STATISTIC, OUR ENTIRE
REAL ESTATE TAX LEVY IN 1968-69 IS $410, 275. 00 .
AS I POINTED OUT PREVIOUSLY MY OPPOSITION TO THIS NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX
IS BASED ON MY SINCERE AND HONEST OPINION THAT PRESIDENT PAHL AND HIS
STAFF HAVE AIMED ELK GROVE VILLAGE AT THE MOON AND THAT THIS BUILDING
IS JUST ONE MORE STAIR IN HIS NEVER ENDING SEARCH FOR PERSONAL IMMORTA-
LIZATION.
I WOULD NEVER CLAIM THAT OUR PRESENT FACILITIES ARE COMPLETELY ADEQUATE
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AND YET IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT MUNICIPAL BUILDINGSIN MANY OTHER
COMMUNITIES YOU WOULD GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE GHETTO'S
IN COMPARISON TO OUR PRESENT COMPLEX,AND FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES ,
IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT WE ARE MERELY GOING TO USE THIS
CURRENT FACILITY AS A "SUMMER COTTAGE. "
I SEE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO SEEK A NEW ADMINISTRATION TO CORRECT WHAT
I PERSONSAAW SEE AS INSURMOUNTABLE PROBLEMS IF WE CONTINUE ON OUR PRESEN
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V+Rf4f+6W AND IN MY OWN INIM HATABLE WAY I MUST BE THE DAVID THAT SEEKS
TO OPPOSE THE GOLIATH OF ELK GROVE POLITICS. JACK PAHL STATED PUBLICLY
THAT I AM NOT A POLITICIAN AND THAT 1 DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO COMPROMISE
AND I WILL AGREE WITH HIM. HE FAILED TO MENTION ONE OTHER PROBLEM THAT
I HAVE AND THAT IS THE POLITICAL HANDICAP OF BEING COMPLETELY CANDID AND
WHEN I OPPOSE MR. PAHL NEXT APRIL, I WILL NOT UNDERESTIMATE HIS DEDICA-
TION NOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT JACK HAS EXPENDED FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I WILL, HOWEVER, FEEL ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN DIRECTING MY ATTACK ON HIS
LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND HIS PLANNED OR UNFORTUNATE TACTICS WHICH HAVE
DIVIDED THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, VILLAGE PERSONNEL AND INDIVIDUALS WHO
DEAL WITH THE VILLAGE.
IN CLOSING, MY "NO" VOTE ON PRESENTING THIS MATTER TO REFERENDUM IS
BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OF OTHER NEGATIVE VOTES AGAINST THE BUDGET,
THE UTILITY TAX AND OTHER SIMILAR MATTERS INVOLVING THE ADMINISTRATION
OF THE VILLAGE. TO COMPLICATE THE MATTER MORE, I CAN ONLY COMPLIMENT
THE ACTIONS .AND EFFORTS OF MY COMPATRIOTS ON THE BOARD BY RECOGNIZING
THAT THEY FEEL AS STRONGLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR AND THE BENEFITS OF THIS
MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AS I DO ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MY ELK GROVE VILLAGE,
.%F WE DO NOT GET LEADERSHIP WHICH RECOGNIZES THE FUTURE IN RELATIONSHIP
TO THE PRACTICAL WANTS AND NEEDS OF OUR VIGOROUS YOUNG COMMUNITY. I
WANT TO LEAD WITH INNOVATION, CREATIVENESS AND IMAGINATION AND I OPPOSE
THE ACCEPTED POLITICAL STRUCTURE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT THROUGH PYRAMIDS OF
PEOPLE, BUILT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TAXPAYER. E. V. Keith
Following discussion of the proposed ordinance relating_ to public
utilities and street lights as submitted by the Manager to the Village
Board on October 7, 1968 and submitted by the Manager in revised form
on October 31, 1968, it was moved by Trustee Keith and seconded by
Trustee McGrenera that the Board direct the Village Attorney to draft
an ordinance on street light specifications in accordance with the
foregoing document. The motion was voted upon by acclamation, whereupon
the President declared the motion carried.
At this time, 9:15 p.m., the President asked if there were any persons
in the audience who wished to address the Board. There being none, a
recess was not called.
A brief discussion followed on the July 11 , 1968 report of Elk Grove
Engineering Company regarding the five hundred 1500) gallon elevated
water storage tank on Tonne Road. They feel that the most economical
method of utilizing this existing facility is to construct a booster
pump station at the site.
It was moved by Trustee Gibson and seconded by Trustee Keith that the
Board proceed to put the aforementioned tank into effective operating
condition and retain Elk Grove Engineering Company to carry out their
proposal of July 11, 1968. The President directed the Clerk to call
the roll on the motion and upon the roll being called, the following
Trustees answered "AYE" - Chernick, Coney, Gibson, Keith, McGrenera,
Zettek; "NAY" - none; "ABSENT" - none. Whereupon the President declared
the motion carried.
The Clerk reported receipt of notices of public hearing from Cook
County Zoning Board of Appeals relating to property on the north side
of Algonquin Road and on the south side of Central Road. The hearings
will be held at 3:00 p.m. November 25, 1968. Copies of the Docket
notices have been sent to the Plan Commission.
There were no objections from the Board as to the United Motor Coach
petition before the Illinois Commerce Commission relating to tariff
changes.
The Village Manager reported receipt of annexation petition documents
relating to approximately forty (40) acres of land just east of Section 1
East and two hundred eight (208) acres south of Devon Avenue.
It was moved by Trustee Keith and seconded by Trustee Gibson that the
Board authorize the Plan Commission to call a public hearing on the
Allabastro annexation petition (two hundred eight (208) acres south of
Devon) and proceed with publication of same. The motion was voted upon
by acclamation, whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee Keith and seconded by Trustee McGrenera that
the Board authorize the Plan Commission to call a public hearing on
the Borde annexation petition relating to approximately forty (40) acres.
The motion was voted upon by acclamation, whereupon the President declared
the motion carried.
It was moved by Trustee McGrenera and seconded by Trustee Keith that
the Board authorize the publication of notice of a hearing by the
President and Board of Trustees at 7:00 p.m. on December 10, 1968 to
consider the proposed pre-annexation agreement relating to the Allabastro
petition.
It was moved by Trustee Chernick and seconded by Trustee Gibson that
the foregoing motion be amended to read that the date of the hearing
shall be December 17, 1968 at 7:00 p.m. The motion was voted upon by
acclamation; Trustee McGrenera cast a dissenting vote. The President
declared the amendment and the motion carried.
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It was moved by Trustee Chernick and seconded by Trustee Keith that
the Board authorize the publication of notice of hearing by the
President and Trustees at 7:00 p.m. on December 10, 1968 to consider
the proposed pre-annexation agreement relating to the approximately
forty (40) acre parcel. The motion was voted upon by acclamation,
whereupon the President declared the motion carried.
The Village Attorney was directed to amend the Municipal Code to provide
that there shall be no regular Village Board meeting on December 24, 1968.
It was moved by Trustee Coney and seconded by Trustee Lettek that the
meeting be adjourned. The motion was voted upon by acclamation; where-
upon the President declared the motion carried and the meeting adjourned
at 10:00 p.m.
Eleanor G. Turnrr/
Village Clerk (/
APPROVED:
ackD. Pahl
Yres dent
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