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ELK GROVE VILLAGE PLAN COMMISSION
Wednesday, May 5, 1982
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Plan Commission was called to
order at 8:09 p.m. on Wednesday, May 5, 1982 in the Multi-Purpose Room
of the Municipal Building, 901 Wellington Avenue.
MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT:
Glass, John R. , Chairman Cummins, Leah, Secretary
Stangeland, Orrin J. Geinosky, Frederick C.
Paliganoff, David J.
Fulton, Clark
Mullen, George E.
STAFF PRESENT:
Thomas F. Rettenbacher, Building Commissioner
Jon P. Wildenberg, Administrative Assistant
Parking Regulations
Stangeland, Chairman of the Parking Regulations Subcommittee,
presented the committee's recommendation to the Plan Commission. He
prefaced his remarks by noting that the recommendation is the product
of research and consideration of aspects such as: car sizing trends
and changes in land use (e.g. ; increased retail use) . In addition, an
extensive review of parking requirements in neighboring communities
was conducted and discussions with the Greater O'Hare Association of
Industry and Commerce were held. Paliganoff added that the research
had developed a sound base of comparison from which to develop recom-
mendations.
The Parking Regulations Subcommittee recommends that no changes
be made to the off-street and on-street parking requirements currently
in effect.
(A report from the Subcommittee and a compilation of Subcommittee
meeting minutes are attached to and made a part of these minutes.
Also attached is a letter from the Trammell Crow Company.)
Stangeland pointed out that the Greater O'Hare Association of
Industry and Commerce has advised that they have experienced no trouble
with the renting of industrial buildings due to restrictive parking
regulations. Stangeland noted that the 200 square foot requirement
(10' x 20') for parking stalls does not appear restrictive in the least.
In addition it is important to maintain stall width for ingress and
egress.
Fulton commented that the Zoning Ordinance Section 3.94(1) which
states that "all off-street parking spaces shall have an area not less
than 200 square feet" appears to be vague. Further, he suggested that
an amendment to specify a 10' x 20' stall be considered as most other
villages do specify stall size. Mullen voiced concurrence with Fulton's
recommendation.
Stangeland moved the Plan Commission recommend to the Judiciary,
Planning and Zoning Committee that an amendment to the Elk Grove
Village Zoning Ordinance, Section 3.94(1) , be considered which
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Parking Regulations (continued)
specifically cites parking stall dimensions of 10' x 201 . Fulton
seconded the motion. whereupon a unanimous vote in favor of the motion
was voiced.
Cook County Zoning Docket #3760
Glass noted Cook County Zoning Docket #3760 wherein a sign variation
is being requested to:
a. Reduce required distance of 500 feet from an expressway
(Northwest Tollway) to 6 feet;
b. To increase the height above curb from required 40 feet
to 60 feet; and
C. To increase the maximum length from required 35 feet to
48 feet for a free standing outdoor advertising structure.
(The site is located on Hamilton Road approximately 175 feet
west of Diane East in Elk Grove Township north of the North-
west Toll Road.)
The Plan Commission voiced unanimous disapproval to the sign variance
requested in Cook County Zoning Docket #3760.
Thoroughfare Report
Mullen suggested the Plan Commission consider the possibility of
retaining a consultant to review the Barton-Aschman Recommended Thoroughfare
Plan (published January, 1971) and make recommendations regarding amendment
of the plan (if necessary) .
Glass recommended that the Plan Commission discuss this action with
the Judiciary, Planning and Zoning Committee. Cost estimates to review
the Thoroughfare Plan must be considered prior to retaining a consultant.
Glass also noted that it would be beneficial, at this point in time,
for the Plan Commission to meet with the JPZ Committee to discuss other
items and recommendations put forth by the Commission.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
Submittedby)):
Jon P. wildenberg
Administrative Assistant
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Attachments
c: Chairman & Members of Plan Commission, Village President & Board of
Trustees, Village Clerk, Village Manager, Assistant Village Manager,
Administrative Assistant, Administrative Intern, Building Commissioner,
Village Engineer, Director of Public Works, Fire Chief, Director of
Parks and Recreation, Centex, NGIMC.
PARKING REGULATIONS
SUBCOMMITTEE RECOM14ENDATIOATS
by
Orrin J. Stangeland, Chairman
David J. Paliganoff
Upon review of all facts compiled, it is our conclusion to report to
the Plan Commission members for the Comprehensive Plan update, the
following:
"No change necessitated in our off-street Parking Requirements
and Regulations including our 200 square foot parameter."
This status quo was reached based on these facts:
1) No major complaints from Building Department or Police
traffic departments on the current regulations.
2) No dominant reason to change to 9 x 20 dimension with
7 foot vertical clearance like the five surrounding
villages surveyed.
3) No statistics to favor downsizing trend of most cars as
thought. Possible solution: paint parking lanes inter-
changeably , to allow more compact cars to
park in areas fewer standard cars could park.
4) No demand for retail factory outlets' parking spaces that
special parking permits couldn't satisfy -- for both on-
and off-street parking during special hours.
5) No need to specify 18 feet in length. It is felt at least
9 if not 10 feet is needed in width for adequate entry out
a car door between parked cars in off-street parking.
Plan Commission
Minutes
Subcommittee on Parking Regulations
The Parking Regulations Subcommittee meeting was called to order at 11:45
a.m. on Wednesday, April 28, 1982 in the Trustees Conference Room of the
Municipal Building.
In attendance: Orrin J. Stangeland, Chairman
David J. Paliganoff
Thomas F. Maher, Trammell Crow Company
(Representing the Greater O'Hare Association
of Industry and Commerce)
The meeting was held to specifically discuss parking regulations for the
Industrial Park.
Trends were discussed from industrial building viewpoints, which are r
creating more retail factory outlets in an industrial area for discount
buying. There is a trend also to offices, as well as all corporate
facilities under one roof, which may create diversified parking needy
according to Tom Maher. Dave Paliganoff pointed out what surrounding
village regulations are for industrial use as a point of reference for
Tom.
Orrin requested an index of retail to industrial space needs from the
Greater O'Hare Association to help define projections for our review.
We discussed the downsizing trend as a basis for changing our 200 square
feet definition. Again, the Greater O'Hare Association may provide
further comments for us.
Shared parking with adjacent property holders and non-peak, on-street
parking could be other points to consider for solving any parking
needs for Industrial business parking.
Meeting adjourned at 12:45 p.m.
Submitted by:
David J. Paliganoff
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c: T.F. Maher
TRAMMELL CROW COMPANY
REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS
CHICAGO REGIONAL OFFICE TELEPHONE
500 PARK BOULEVARD AREA CODE 312
ITASCA,ILLINOIS 60143 773-4100
May 5, 1982
Mr. Orrin J. Stangeland
Chairman,
Subcommittee on Parking Regulations
Elk Grove Village Hall
Elk Grove Village, Illinois 60007
Dear Mr . Stangeland :
It was a pleasure having an opportunity to meet with yourself and
Mr. David J . Paliganoff this past Wednesday, April 28th.
The Trammell Crow Company puts forth the following views with
regard to parking regulations in the Elk Grove Village Industrial
Park area:
1 . It would not be in the best interest of the business community
to increase the parking requirement per employee or on a per
square foot basis for the standard industrial/distribution
building which typically does not have a high ratio of office
space or employee density per square foot of building area.
2 . As a result of the trend to down-size automobiles, it would be
reasonzbl2 for the parking space specification which is cur-
rently 20 ' x 10 ' to be revised to a specification of 9 ' x 181 .
In conjunction with the reduction of parking space allocated
per vehicle, it would be feasible to allow parking lot designs
to incorporate a "two tier" parking system which would
accommodate compact cars and larger models by a mix of parking
spaces , which may range from 7-1/2 ' x 16 ' (economy cars) to
9 ' x 18 ' ( for larger models) . This mix should be established
by a study which would determine the ratio of economy vs .
larger cars in the Chicago metropolitan area.
3 . Companies or corporations located in the Elk Grove Industrial
Park which are presently located in an industrial/distribution
building that wish to expand the utilization of the facility to
accommodate a "factory outlet" should be denied this request
unless adequate parking is available on site . To accommodate
businesses , who wish to open their facility to the public,
which lack on site parking (when adequate on site parking is
not available and adjacent landowners would not be willing to
share parking facilities on their . sites with their neighbor)
companies would have to work within the limits of the on street
parking regulations . In no case should additional on street
(cont 'd . . . . ./2)
TRAMMELL CROW COMPANY
REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS
500 PARK BOULEVARD
ITASCA, ILLINOIS 60143
Mr. Orrin J . Stangeland
Elk Grove Village Hall
5-4-82
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parking be provided to accommodate a "factory outlet" within
the hours of 6 : 00 A.M. to 7: 00 P.M. Monday through Friday. To
allow on street parking (beyond the scope of current regula-
tion) during those hours of operation would be to defeat the
traffic flow design of the industrial park areas, thus
rendering them inefficient . Companies wishing to offer
"factory outlets" should locate in a building which is properly
designed (adequate parking spaces per employee and customer)
for that utilization. It would be inappropriate to modify the
parking requirements for all industrial/distribution buildings
to be developed unless it is the intent of the owners of the
building to utilize it in this manner. Likewise, no existing
building should be utilized for this purose unless sufficient
parking is available to meet the anticipated demand .
It has been our experience that we have exceeded in all cases
the demand for parking spaces at our distribution buildings.
In the event a company or corporation due to their utilization
demand a higher parking ratio per square foot of building area
we would locate them in a building which can meet this demand.
In the event I may be able to provide further information to Mr.
Paliganoff or yourself, please feel free to contact me at our
offices.
Sincerely,
Thomas F. Maher
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Plan Commission
Subcommittee on Parking Regulations Minutes
The Parking Subcommittee meeting opened at 7:35 p.m, on February 16,
1982. Orrin_ Stangeland and Dave Paliganoff were in attendance. Points
of discussion included:
1. "Downsizina" trend has stabilized and perhaps slightly reversed.
Domestic subcompact cars versus larger cars.
Imported cars with larger size trend: Datsun. Maximus,
Cutlass is considered intermediate, VW Quantum,
Toyota.
2. Weight seems to be new focal Point: -
Auto
oint: -Auto width not as significantly reduced as is length.
Two door auto with open .doors:
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3. Two-car family a reality with no significant trend changes.
Mass Transportation - minor significance.
Car Pooling - insignificant.
4. Review of parking regulations:
. One space for each two employees per eight-hour shift.
Retail uses in I-1: Shared parking
On street
Parking needs
Residential uses: .On street parking
5. Possible increased narking demand:
Mass Transit j
Commuter Lots - RTA
Industrial-Park
we plan to obtain further staff and Industrial Park information for our
next Parking Subcommittee meeting.
Meeting was adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
Submitted by:
ms David J. Paliganoff
Plan Commission
Subcommittee on -Parking Regulations Plinutes
A meeting was held at 7:30 p.m. on February 3, 1982 of the
Parking Regulations Subcommittee. Dave Paliganoff and Orrin Stangeland
were in attendance. Chairman of the Subcommittee, Orrin Stangeland,
outlined the points of discussion for recommendations to the Plan
Commission. The points that were discussed are as follows:
1. Space Size: 200 square feet vs. 10 x 20 feet.
Dimensions discussed.
Comment: You could have 2 x 100 square feet and satisfy
the ordinance even though realistically the
Building Commissioner would not approve it.
Ref. 3.94.1 of Zoning Ordinance - Usable Space.
Are we allowing just "motorcycle space" mimimum?
2. Number of Spaces: More people needing two cars.
3. T%,o Income Families: Two cars minimum per houce.�old.
4. Downsizing Trends:
A. Width of auto.
B. Closed doors - Maximum width 8 ft. vs. 5 ft. 1 inch.
C. With doors open for access - New and older cars.
(nvo-door cars.)
5. A. Off Street.
B. On Street Parking Spaces: Residential Areas.
C. Enclosed and underground spaces: Multifamily.
6. Industrial and Retail Space: Need of occupants.
7. Neighboring Ordinances Considerations:
A. Miscellaneous viewpoints.
B. Yuman elements.
The meeting closed at 8:00 p.m.
Next meeting to be held on February 17 at 7:30 p.m.
Submitted by:
David J. Paliganoff
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December 11, 1981
To: Orrin J. Stangeland, Parking Regulations Subcommittee
David J. Pa]liganoff, Parking Regulations Subcommittee
From:
On P. Wildenberg, Administ tive Assistant
Subject:. Vehicle Information Relevant to.
Parking Regulations Study
I came across some information the other day which may be
useful to you: the Federal Highway Administration has reported to the
General Services Administration that the registered mix of 1966 and
.Tater model vehicles (based on cylinder count) as of December 1979 was:
63.85% 8-cylinder cars;
15.800 6-cylinder cars;
20.35% 4 cylinder cars.
In addition, most recent information from GSA indicates the
.following vehicle mix in the State of Illinois:
Subcompact: 12.1%
Compact: 23.6%
Intermediate: 25.4%
Full Size (6-cyl.) : 1.6%
Full Size (8-cyl.) : 12.0%
Luxury: 8.5%
Import: 16.8%
As this information deals with automobile size, I thought it
may be applicable to the considerations of your subcommittee.
Please do not hesitate to contact me should you wish to
discuss this or any other topic further.
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PLAN COMMISSION
PARKING REGULATIONS COMMITTEE MINUTES
MEMBERS
0. STANGELAND (Chairman)
D. PALIGANOFF
MEETING DATE
December 3, 1981
MEMBERS PRESENT
O. Stangeland
D. Paliganoff
DISCUSSION
A meeting of the Parking Tegulations Committee convened at 7:30 p.m.
to 8:00 p.m. December 3, 1981, discussing Parking Regulations and the
review of surrounding community ordinances prepared by Barbara Gorell,
Administrative Intern, on off-street parking.
Further discussion and uses were needed on on-street parking. Contact
should be made with Tom Rettenbacher for his recommendations.
Submitted by:
D. Paliganoff
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c: 0. Stangeland
D. Paliganoff
PLAN COMMISSION
PARKING REGULATIONS COMMITTEE MINUTES
MEMBERS
0. STANGELAND (Chairman)
D. PALIGANOFF
MEETING DATE
October 7, 1981
MEMBERS PRESENT
O. Stangeland
D. Paliganoff
DISCUSSION
A meeting of the Parking Regulations Committee convened at 7:30 p.m.
October 7, 1981, discussing the organizational aspects of our assignment.
The major areas of parking concern were:
1. Downsizing car trends.
2. Retail parking use in Industrial Parks.
3. Major differences in neighboring communities:
A. Safety
B. Convenience
C. Present Requirements
D. Future Needs
Submitted by:
D. Paliganoff
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c: 0. Stangeland
D. Paliganoff